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Employee Speech and Its Consequences

18 Thursday Sep 2025

Posted by Nuetzel in Censorship, Free Speech

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ABC, Charlie Kirk, DEI, Eugene Volokh, First Amendment, Free Speech, Hate Speech, Jimmy Kimmel, Julie Borowsky, MAGA, Pickering v. Bd. of Education, Second Amendment, Trust

I just can’t express any sympathy for those fired from their jobs for publicly endorsing or “celebrating” the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Regardless of how you felt about Charlie Kirk’s words, he was a nonviolent public figure who did everything he could to engage peacefully with those who disagreed with his views. Praising his assassination is morally repugnant.

The fairness and even the legality of these dismissals has been called into question, however. As Eugene Volokh notes, the First Amendment offers protection “against criminal punishment, civil liability” for all speech unless it “is intended to and likely to cause imminent illegal conduct”. It does not protect the speaker from other consequences, however, such as continued employment or social ostracism. It goes without saying that this applies to both sides of any debate.

But job dismissals for expressing controversial opinions should not extend beyond issues likely to threaten the mission of the employing organization, including reputation and the well being of clients and other employees. Even more importantly, prosecution under so-called “hate speech” laws (a flawed construct) should not extend outside the bounds of the First Amendment, and should not be prosecuted selectively on political grounds.

One prominent action with which I’m not comfortable is the “indefinite” cancellation of Jimmy Kimmel, who (like others on the Left) thought it would be clever to make the absurd claim, during his late-night monologue, that Kirk’s assassin was one of the MAGA tribe. Kimmel did not “celebrate” the murder per se, but his statement was enough to get his show pulled, for now. The cancellation was lauded by the Right as a response to the market. That’s plausible: Kimmel’s pronouncement might have damaged ABC’s brand, though it didn’t have far to drop. The Trump Administration seems to have employed some strong-arm tactics in this episode, however, which is awful. In any case, I’d rather keep Kimmel out there making a fool of himself.

Of course, private employers can generally employ whom they want and can often cite agreed-upon codes of conduct as justification for dismissals, if necessary. Who wants an employee announcing to the world that he or she endorses the murder of someone with whom they happen to disagree on public policy or expressions of faith? Or who wants an employee openly stating such a monstrous opinion in the workplace? It’s simply bad business to risk offense to customers, sowing discord in the workplace, or affiliating in any way with an individual willing to demonstrate such depraved values.

Things are a little different for public employees. In his post, Volokh outlined general legal conditions under which a public employee can be disciplined. These are (the full list is a quote):

  1. the speech is said by the employee as part of the employee’s job duties, Garcetti v. Ceballos (2006), or
  2. the speech is not on a matter of public concern, Connick v. Myers (1983), or
  3. the damage caused by the speech to the efficiency of the government agency’s operation outweighs the value of the speech to the employee and the public, Pickering v. Bd. of Ed. (1968).

As Volokh says, strictly speaking, these conditions do not establish categorical grounds for dismissing a public employee for praising violence. He cites case law to support that position. But the third condition listed is critical in many cases. On that point, he notes that the case in question involved a private conversation with the speaker’s co-worker/boyfriend. So that case hardly seems dispositive.

Volokh goes on to say that #3 above, or really the Pickering case, establishes a kind of heckler’s veto for public employers. That is, it:

“… often allows government to fire employees because their speech sufficiently offends coworkers or members of the public. …

“This conclusion by lower courts applying Pickering might, I think, stem from the judgment that employees are hired to do a particular job cost-effectively for the government: If their speech so offends others (especially clients or coworkers) that keeping the employees on means more cost for the government than benefit, the government needn’t continue to pay them for what has proved to be a bad bargain.“

Whether it involves someone in the public or the private sector, concerns about endorsing the murder of an ideological opponent are particularly acute when issued by those in jobs requiring a high level of trust. That covers a broad swath of workers, but especially those in health care, education, and law enforcement. Can you trust a nurse, a surgeon, or any other caregiver who would endorse murder as a proper response to political or ideological differences? Are you willing to allow your child to be instructed by such an individual at any level? For that matter, would you trust a news anchor who spouted that kind of rhetoric?

It’s certainly doesn’t present as “normal” to espouse or praise murder and other violent acts, regardless of ideological passion. In fact, most people would fairly question the stability of anyone cheerleading for murder and the risk they might present to society. Words are cheap, but it might well signal an elevated propensity for acts of violent retaliation for perceived wrongs.

The question of trust really permeates our interactions with the whole of society, so the kind of behavior we’ve witnessed from this quarter is threatening. Will my waitress, overhearing a conversation, befoul or poison the food she serves me? Will my ride share driver deliver me to a torture chamber? Will a neighborhood contact attempt to exact some kind of retribution? It’s not quite there yet, but the encroachment is real. This should be more salient to anyone with an accessible social media profile who wishes to express an honest opinion, particularly on a college campus.

A brief word about some of the Charlie Kirk quotes that have made the rounds. They are often excerpted and divorced from the full context of the argument he was attempting to make. Julie Borowsky on X provides some direct, full quotes of Kirk on several important topics. I happen to think he made valid (if not fully developed) points about the value of the Second Amendment, the divisiveness of DEI, overuse of the word “empathy”, and the downsides of Civil Rights Act. At the same time, I am certain I’d disagree with other positions Kirk held, like his support for tariffs. Still, they were all debating points on policy (or matters of faith), and they did not qualify as “hate speech”, which is a subjective notion and highly resistant to consensus. In any case, his comments could never have justified the insane reaction of Kirk’s assassin or those who cheered his murder.

Ballot Bamboozles, Enablers, and Trust

10 Tuesday Nov 2020

Posted by Nuetzel in Election Fraud

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Audit, BBC, Benford’s Law, Donald Trump, Election Fraud, Joe Biden, Jonathan Adler, President-Elect, Que Sera Sera, Recount, Red Flags, Trust

Since Saturday I’ve heard people in the media refer to “President-Elect Biden”, and I heard “President Biden” in one instance. He is neither, at least not yet. If and when the results of the election are certified in enough states to give Biden 270+ electoral votes, my attitude will be “Que Sera, Sera“. We can then move on to other challenges. But we aren’t there yet. Much remains to be settled in several states, and whether there is a change in the outcome of the presidential election might not be as important as cleaning up the mess that’s become of our election system.

Here’s a little primer on the signs of election fraud from the BBC. Several of those signs appear very much like what we see now. The list of red flags arising from the results of this election is long, and the denials from authorities in charge of the process in various jurisdictions look increasingly suspicious. We have turnout greater than the number of registered voters in several areas, dead voters, out-of-state voters, poll observers who were refused entry or held at impractical distances, late-night suspension of counts resuming after observers departed, ballot arrivals with no chain of custody, a huge number of Biden ballots with no votes for down-ballot candidates and few cases of the same for Trump. If you hadn’t guessed, the down-ballot discrepancy smacks of vote manufacturing. The sheer volume of last day “provisional” ballots is suggestive of ballot harvesting activity. And there are a number of other irregularities. A retired auditor/blogger compiled a nice list of red flags several days ago. This update is even better.)

As Jonathan Turley notes, as Americans we should welcome reviews of close elections. It would be a travesty to ignore these strong indications of fraud. Doing so would disenfranchise millions of voters, destroy confidence in our democratic system, and reward aberrant behavior. And for readers of this blog who might be aghast that we’re unwilling to simply absolve election authorities and other helpers who managed to produce or allow these red flags, the simple fact of the matter is we don’t trust them, and we don’t trust you either!

No, we do not trust authorities who tell us to ignore the kinds of obvious red flags that have arisen in this election. Election fraud has a long history in many of the jurisdictions now in dispute. This is just one form of the corruption endemic to one-party rule in many of these localities. No one is accountable and rules can be broken with the support of the local party machine. These are mini-swamps, and they should be drained.

The media is of course a giant swamp of its own, refusing to acknowledge or report on the very real warning signs of fraud. This is not journalism, and sadly, those who would contemplate violating the code are victims of intimidation. The very act of pronouncing Joe Biden the “President-Elect” at this stage is bad enough as an assertion of power. In addition, we have social media platforms censoring those who would call attention to obvious signs of fraud. This is an authoritarian play. It goes without saying that we do not trust the media, who are doing their best to game these challenges out of existence. Not gonna happen.

And neither do we trust those who would burn our cities, or forgive those who do; who would keep lists of those with whom they disagree and suggest reeducation; who would engage in eliminationist rhetoric; who would unfairly accuse opponents of racism, despite the racism and anti-semitism in their own ranks; who for years years would parrot false claims of Russian collusion, attempting to invalidate the last election; who would ignore the Biden family history of influence peddling and lies! And who would insist that the media’s proclamation of a winner in this election is beyond question. If that’s who you are, you are in the swamp. You’re either naive or evil. No, we don’t trust you.

The recent changes in election rules, ostensibly due to COVID, produced a chaotic situation many foresaw. I view the overwhelming support for these changes on the Left as wholly opportunistic. It created ample opportunities for fraud, and not only in the mini-swamps. Now, the presumed outcome, no matter how likely or how much you might like it, is no excuse for failing to adjudicate very real disputes, investigate or audit irregularities, and recount votes where state law or the courts demand it.

One reservation I have about the claims of fraud has to do with so-called violations of Benford’s Law. It is a “forensic” test of fraud based on statistical theory, but I do not trust the form in which it’s been invoked thus far. Violations have been cited in several counties over the past few days. However, a violation of this law obviously doesn’t constitute direct evidence of fraud, and the test is a reliable indicator only when the number of voters in different precincts vary by order of magnitude (there must be a mix of 10s, 100s, 1,000s, 10,000s). With precinct sizes, that is often not the case. There is a more reliable form of Bedford’s law, but I have not seen its application to any results in this election.

One last point that might be of interest: a reasonable scenario would leave the electoral college tied at 269. This would involve Trump taking NC and AK, while AZ, GA, and WI flip to Trump with MI and PA remaining in Biden’s column. The election would then be decided in the House of Representatives. However, the outcome there is not based on a straight vote. Instead, there is a single vote for each state delegation. As it turns out, Republicans hold the advantage there, despite their minority membership in the House.

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